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The Scandinavian Union
« am: 28. Juli 2013, 11:36:32 »
So in preparation for the Kickstarter to be finished and then the rulebook - I've started to read the classic Space 1889 books for setting material.
I am wanting to create quite a big campaign, but with the focus on the Scandinavian Union.

In the Historical time of 1889, Norway and Sweden were in a Union (that would in history break when finally declared Independence in 1905. but in this alternative universe, I am actually seeing that the Union would grow a bit stronger, and with a few historical tweaks also include Denmark - so they could compete on the same level as the other European nations in the coming Space scene.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #1 am: 28. Juli 2013, 19:41:03 »
A United States of Scandinavia? Sounds pretty good, and very possible. Liftwood is THE military ressource in Space:1889. Maybe the north of europe build this stronger union to get there part of the martian-cake? To expensive for one, but together....
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #2 am: 30. Juli 2013, 20:09:51 »
The Union were originally a forced thing. After the black plague, half of Norways population had died, and most of its nobility, so Denmark took its chance at the right moment and seized it, overthrew what little we had then, and BOOM we were in a Union, and forced to speak Danish. And without going into details at this moment, and do it more in a humorous way, Norway became a bit to much trouble, and in a Deal with Sweden, they got us instead, and Sweden got the problem :-p and it all ended in 1905 - what could have resulted in a war (we had built huge amounts of fortifications on the Swedish borders and a naval force) - we got released and got our independence back :).

But instead of this happening, Denmark and Sweden, will see the opportunity - but feel the lack of manpower and size to be a real contender as they were in the 1700s (Sweden kicked Russias ass among other) - they unite in a cooperative Union, and Norway is dragged with it - but going to build quite a bit of politics around it, so it also will be an internal battle for a fair union and an equal right to vote.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #3 am: 31. Juli 2013, 07:27:07 »
Sound like a good alternative history to make scandinavia a big player. Maybe to late for earth colonies they search their luck of-planet.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #4 am: 31. Juli 2013, 18:13:28 »
Sound like a good alternative history to make scandinavia a big player. Maybe to late for earth colonies they search their luck of-planet.

Yeah, that was my thought also :)
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #5 am: 01. August 2013, 08:55:56 »
If you have s.th. in mind, be welcome to share. We can making a nice looking PDF and translate it german, too. The Idea of Northeurope as a Fan-Project is great.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #6 am: 01. August 2013, 10:04:57 »
If you have s.th. in mind, be welcome to share. We can making a nice looking PDF and translate it german, too. The Idea of Northeurope as a Fan-Project is great.

Yeah, that is the plan :) - Already looking for art reference of the Union era military uniforms.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #7 am: 25. August 2013, 10:26:08 »
And here I have some inspiration from the era of 1888-1905 Scandinavia, mostly Norwegians.

















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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #8 am: 25. August 2013, 11:05:00 »
And a fantasy Union flag and a map (the map and flag is made by http://digitalismismycause.deviantart.com/ though I changed the Capital location). The map includes Finland, though even if it is not part of Scandinavia (only the Nordic) - but in my version of the alternate SPACE 1889 timeline, this is because it have been "conquered" by Sweden after Russia failed in its invasion of Sweden earlier.

Also part of the Unions lands are: Greenland, primarly owned by Denmark - Svalbard (Norway) - Bouvet Island (Norway) - Peter I Island (Norway) - and Queen Maud Land (Norway) (about a quarter of Antarctica). Though, those latter islands actually only became part of Norway in the 1920-30s, I have moved that conclusion faster because of the new Airship technologies.



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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #9 am: 25. August 2013, 11:25:36 »
When I get around to it, I will design a new and more proper flag ;).
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #10 am: 25. August 2013, 19:38:29 »
This is a very short text on the matter and a lot of detail have been left out (a possible official version would fix that  ;) ) - also, from 1870, the Scandinavian history is just fiction

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How we got here

Up until 1814, Denmark and Norway had been in a Union (from 1660-1814), simply called Denmark-Norway. But under the Napoleonic wars, Denmark had allied herself with the forces of Napoleon, and when he was defeated - Norway was promised to Sweden by Great Britain, Russia, Prussia and Austria - since Sweden had been part of the allied forces against Napoleon and as a compensation for Sweden's loss against Finland in 1809, all under the treaty of Kiel.

Already in Norway, the viceroy of Norway, Hereditary Prince Christian Frederik resolved to preserve the integrity of the country, and if possible the union with Denmark, by taking the lead in a Norwegian insurrection. The king was informed of these plans in a secret letter of December 1813 and probably went along with them. But on the face of it, he adhered to the conditions of the Kiel Treaty by ordering Christian Frederik to surrender the border fortresses and return to Denmark. But Christian Frederik kept the contents of the letter to himself, ordering his troops to hold the fortresses. He decided to claim the throne of Norway as rightful heir, and to set up an independent government with himself at the head. On 30 January, he consulted several prominent Norwegian advisors, arguing that king Frederick had no legal right to relinquish his inheritance, asserting that he was the rightful king of Norway, and that Norway had a right to self-determination. His impromptu council agreed with him, setting the stage for an independence movement.
On 2 February the Norwegian public received the news that their country had been ceded to the king of Sweden. It caused a general indignation among most people, who disliked the idea of being subjected to Swedish rule, and enthusiastically endorsed the idea of national independence. The Swedish crown prince Bernadotte responded by threatening to send an army to occupy Norway, and to uphold the grain embargo, unless the country voluntarily complied with the provisions of the Kiel Treaty. In that case, he would call a constitutional convention. But for the time being, he was occupied with the concluding battles on the Continent, giving the Norwegians time to develop their plans.

Also in 1814, on the 17th of May, Norway had finished its constitution in Eidsvoll.

All the while through the decades, buildup of insurrection and the threat of war was brewing and on the 26 of July, a small war between Norway and Sweden erupted when a Swedish fleet took over Hvaler and 65000 Swedish troops invaded Norway and advanced North on the fortified city of Fredrikstad bypassing the fortress of Fredriksten. The Norwegian army retreated over the river Glomma, and the Swedish army tried to intercept them but were defeated at the battle of Langnes - a very important and tactical victory for the Norwegians.
A few days later on the 14th of August, a convention in the city of Moss was concluded, a general cease-fire based on terms that effectively were terms of peace.
Christian Frederik succeeded in excluding from the text any indication that Norway had recognized the Treaty of Kiel, and Sweden accepted that it was not to be considered a premise of the future union between the two states. Understanding the advantage of avoiding a costly war, and of letting Norway enter into a union voluntarily instead of being annexed as a conquered territory, Bernadotte offered favorable peace terms. He promised to recognize the Norwegian Constitution, with only those amendments that were necessary to open up for a union of the two countries. Christian Frederik agreed to call an extraordinary session of the Storting in September or October. He would then have to transfer his powers to the elected representatives of the people, who would negotiate the terms of the union with Sweden, and finally relinquish all claims to the Norwegian throne and leave the country.

This Union would be an uneasy one for the coming decades.

But when the 1870s arrived and the first Aether flyer by Edison were made, and the discovery of Mars and its liftwood came around. The Swedish-Norwegian Union could see that their overall hostilities toward each other had to end, a new era had begun and only the ones who could capture the momentum of the moment would come out on top or as equals.
The problem was that the Swedish might of arms, even with the Norwegian forces were not as it were before, and especially not after Sweden had expended so much effort in conquering Finland from Russia in 1875.
19th of August, in Göteborgh in Sweden - a secret meeting was held between Frederik Stang the Prime Minister of Norway and Oscar II King of Sweden; discussing a potential real alliance between the nations, a Union between nations and not only in the name.
After two weeks of discussions on how the Union could compete with the now emerging Space powers, it were concluded that the Union in it self would not be enough. So an emissary were sent to Denmark, and a month later a new meeting was now held in the Capital of Sweden, Stockholm, with Christian IX the King of Denmark. and on the 30th of September the Scandinavian Union was created.

In 1882, the first Aether fliers of the union touched upon Mars and a small colony were settled, another minor colony were also established on Venus in 1887, but only after a small Space battle between the Union and Belgian forces over a misunderstanding - this would lead to an open animosity between the two powers until this date.
A mission to Mercury is planned for January 1890.

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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #11 am: 04. Dezember 2013, 13:17:03 »
This is still ongoing, but on a bit of a break untill the PDF is released.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #12 am: 21. Januar 2014, 20:09:10 »
When I get around to it, I will design a new and more proper flag ;).

I'd use the one of the united scandinavia from Europa Universalis ...

http://www.eu4wiki.com/Scandinavia

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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #13 am: 29. April 2014, 12:58:09 »
Looks like I soon will be able to write more here about the Scandinavian Union as the Space 1889 Kickstarter soon will let loose the preview pdf.
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Re: The Scandinavian Union
« Antwort #14 am: 04. März 2015, 10:18:39 »
in your universe was Finnland annex by the union or is it still part of zaristic russia?